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Rudds War on Sceptics - What happened to Democracy?
Its an understatement to say I and many others were shocked to see Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on the ABC TV news last night openly declaring war on anyone who is sceptical of his governments proposed Emissions Trading Scheme, any one who is sceptical of him signing away a large part of our national sovereignty via the Copenhagen Treaty and anyone who is sceptical of the IPCC computer modelling predictions of catastrophic global warming.
In deed Rudd's broadside is not just an open attack on we sceptical and concerned Australians but every sceptic anywhere in the world.
In his amazing outburst he said:
"The truth is this is hard, because the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action are active in every country.
"They are a minority. They are powerful. And invariably they are driven by vested interests."
Are we the minority or has Kevin Rudd just declared war on more than 50% of the developed worlds population ?
Recent survey figures by the Lowy institute - where Kevin Rudd made this address yesterday suggest that in Australia he has just declared war on more than half of the population:
"The most recent Lowy Institute poll found that while 48 per cent of Australian believe that global warming is a serious and pressing problem, the numbers are down 12 points since 2008 and 20 points down since 2006. “This is also the first year that it has not had majority support,” said the Lowy Institute."
And in the USA:
A survey last month by the Pew Research Centre suggests that the proportion of Americans who believe there is solid evidence that the world has been warming over the last few decades has fallen from 71% to 57% in just 18 months. Another survey, conducted in January by Rasmussen Reports, suggests .... US voters who believe global warming has natural causes (44%) outnumber those who believe it is the result of human action (41%).
When you read Rudds entire speech you'll see striking similarities to leading UK journalist and alarmist George Monbiots Guardian article this week where he declares -
Climate Change Denial Spreading Like a Disease
"There is no point in denying it: we're losing. Climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease. It exists in a sphere"
Incredibly Rudd goes on the attack against hundreds of millions of people world wide who are sceptical and over ten million people in Australia alone that dare to question his Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme and his wanting to sign the Copenhagen treaty. He declares such people are:
"radicals"
Climate change skeptics in all their guises and disguises are not conservatives. They are radicals.
"dangerous"
"Climate change deniers are small in number, but they are too dangerous to be ignored.
"Well resourced"
They are well resourced and well represented by political conservatives in many, many countries."
Well resourced. This is an incredible statement.The Australian government, the UN and world governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prove Global Warming is happening and can't. Their whole premise is still today based on IPCC computer modelling, which for the last ten years has been hopelessly inaccurate.
The worlds mainstream media for the last decade has been unrelenting, bombarding us with doomsday predictions. Billions and Billions dollars of free media coverage on news, current affair and documentary.
No the rising tide of scepticism has been fueled by ordinary people. People like the Agmates community members , using the internet to share information, ideas and facts. This is not a well resourced campaign - this is democracy at work in its purest form. This is a grass-roots movement powered by millions of people sitting at home computers searching for and sharing information and facts.
Monbiot quotes in his article:
"A study by the website Desmogblog shows that the number of internet pages proposing that man-made global warming is a hoax or a lie more than doubled last year. The Science Museum's Prove it! exhibition asks online readers to endorse or reject a statement that they've seen the evidence and want governments to take action. As of yesterday afternoon, 1,006 people had endorsed it and 6,110 had rejected it. On Amazon.co.uk, books championing climate change denial are currently ranked at 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8 in the global warming category. "
No longer can public opinion be controlled by the mainstream media - the internet has destroyed that ability. Not only now are we directly connected to each other, but to every other person in the world. We have access to information from any corner of the planet and we are connected to the politicians who choose to listen to and represent us .. like fellow Agmates member Senator Barnaby Joyce.
It is interesting that the Prime minister singles our champion out in his rant:
"Again, Senator Joyce - fearmonger in chief on climate change"
Rudd acknowledges that the troubles he is having with the mood of scepticism is global: :
"The legion of climate change skeptics are active across the world ....
Together, these groups, alive in every major country including Australia, constitute a powerful global force for inaction,
The challenge we face, and others around the world face, is to build momentum and overcome domestic political constraints.
When Rudd says "domestic political constraints" its diplomatic speak for the will of the people, i.e. voter backlash.
"The truth is this is hard, because the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action are active in every country."
The Australian writing about Rudds speech said:
"In an address to the Lowy Institute, Mr Rudd vows to push ahead with the government's greenhouse gas reduction regime and accuses climate change sceptics of attempting to erode the political will to obtain meaningful action."
This is a struggle between a delusional Prime Minister ranting and raving like a spoilt child, trying to impose his political will on the majority of the people. He rants and raves about the influence that we sceptics have over the conservative side of politics in this country.
"The tentacles of the climate change skeptics reach deep into the ranks of the Liberal Party, and once you add the National Party it's plan the skeptics and the deniers are a major force."
Last time I looked that is exactly the way a democracy is supposed to work. If a large enough number of people / voters are not happy with the course of legislation that a government is proposing it is our duty and right to lobby the cross benches to block the legislation.
It is outrageous that our own Prime Minister, the leader of our supposed democracy would brand us "dangerous radicals" for exercising our democratic right.
Rudd even admits that citizens around the world are lobbying to stop their governments passing emissions trading legislation that will harm their countries economies. He says about the climate sceptics globally are ...
Powerful enough to so far block domestic legislation in Australia, powerful enough to so far slow down the passage of legislation through the US Congress. And ultimately - by limiting the ambition of national climate change commitments - they are powerful enough to threaten a deal on global climate change both in Copenhagen and beyond.
Is it any wonder that Kevin Rudd is hell bent on signing Australia up to the one world government Copenhagen Treaty that makes no mention of elections or democracy only rule by unelected bureaucrats . He declares:
"The Australian Government is also committed to intensively engaging to support an ambitious agreement in Copenhagen."
From Australian prime Minister Kevin Rudds outburst it is obvious that the democratic system is an incredibly annoying and frustrating obstacle to his global ambitions. That is a very serious and very dangerous development for our democracy.
News limited Chief Rupert Murdock said in the Weekend Australian that Rudd is delusional if he thinks Australia can lead the world on Climate Change.
On the government's push to legislate on climate change before most other Western countries, Mr Murdoch said it was "a bit delusional .... that we can set an agenda for the world".
"It would nice if we could, but we are kidding ourselves, deluding ourselves if we really believe it. And if we start putting up the cost of living in this country, when no one else is doing it, we put ourselves at a real disadvantage."
We now need to triple our efforts to ensure the CPRS is voted down in the Senate. Then let Rudd call an election. We the sceptics will show him at the ballot box what a democracy is all about.
END.
In deed Rudd's broadside is not just an open attack on we sceptical and concerned Australians but every sceptic anywhere in the world.
In his amazing outburst he said:
"The truth is this is hard, because the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action are active in every country.
"They are a minority. They are powerful. And invariably they are driven by vested interests."
Are we the minority or has Kevin Rudd just declared war on more than 50% of the developed worlds population ?
Recent survey figures by the Lowy institute - where Kevin Rudd made this address yesterday suggest that in Australia he has just declared war on more than half of the population:
"The most recent Lowy Institute poll found that while 48 per cent of Australian believe that global warming is a serious and pressing problem, the numbers are down 12 points since 2008 and 20 points down since 2006. “This is also the first year that it has not had majority support,” said the Lowy Institute."
And in the USA:
A survey last month by the Pew Research Centre suggests that the proportion of Americans who believe there is solid evidence that the world has been warming over the last few decades has fallen from 71% to 57% in just 18 months. Another survey, conducted in January by Rasmussen Reports, suggests .... US voters who believe global warming has natural causes (44%) outnumber those who believe it is the result of human action (41%).
When you read Rudds entire speech you'll see striking similarities to leading UK journalist and alarmist George Monbiots Guardian article this week where he declares -
Climate Change Denial Spreading Like a Disease
"There is no point in denying it: we're losing. Climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease. It exists in a sphere"
Incredibly Rudd goes on the attack against hundreds of millions of people world wide who are sceptical and over ten million people in Australia alone that dare to question his Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme and his wanting to sign the Copenhagen treaty. He declares such people are:
"radicals"
Climate change skeptics in all their guises and disguises are not conservatives. They are radicals.
"dangerous"
"Climate change deniers are small in number, but they are too dangerous to be ignored.
"Well resourced"
They are well resourced and well represented by political conservatives in many, many countries."
Well resourced. This is an incredible statement.The Australian government, the UN and world governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prove Global Warming is happening and can't. Their whole premise is still today based on IPCC computer modelling, which for the last ten years has been hopelessly inaccurate.
The worlds mainstream media for the last decade has been unrelenting, bombarding us with doomsday predictions. Billions and Billions dollars of free media coverage on news, current affair and documentary.
No the rising tide of scepticism has been fueled by ordinary people. People like the Agmates community members , using the internet to share information, ideas and facts. This is not a well resourced campaign - this is democracy at work in its purest form. This is a grass-roots movement powered by millions of people sitting at home computers searching for and sharing information and facts.
Monbiot quotes in his article:
"A study by the website Desmogblog shows that the number of internet pages proposing that man-made global warming is a hoax or a lie more than doubled last year. The Science Museum's Prove it! exhibition asks online readers to endorse or reject a statement that they've seen the evidence and want governments to take action. As of yesterday afternoon, 1,006 people had endorsed it and 6,110 had rejected it. On Amazon.co.uk, books championing climate change denial are currently ranked at 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8 in the global warming category. "
No longer can public opinion be controlled by the mainstream media - the internet has destroyed that ability. Not only now are we directly connected to each other, but to every other person in the world. We have access to information from any corner of the planet and we are connected to the politicians who choose to listen to and represent us .. like fellow Agmates member Senator Barnaby Joyce.
It is interesting that the Prime minister singles our champion out in his rant:
"Again, Senator Joyce - fearmonger in chief on climate change"
Rudd acknowledges that the troubles he is having with the mood of scepticism is global: :
"The legion of climate change skeptics are active across the world ....
Together, these groups, alive in every major country including Australia, constitute a powerful global force for inaction,
The challenge we face, and others around the world face, is to build momentum and overcome domestic political constraints.
When Rudd says "domestic political constraints" its diplomatic speak for the will of the people, i.e. voter backlash.
"The truth is this is hard, because the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action are active in every country."
The Australian writing about Rudds speech said:
"In an address to the Lowy Institute, Mr Rudd vows to push ahead with the government's greenhouse gas reduction regime and accuses climate change sceptics of attempting to erode the political will to obtain meaningful action."
This is a struggle between a delusional Prime Minister ranting and raving like a spoilt child, trying to impose his political will on the majority of the people. He rants and raves about the influence that we sceptics have over the conservative side of politics in this country.
"The tentacles of the climate change skeptics reach deep into the ranks of the Liberal Party, and once you add the National Party it's plan the skeptics and the deniers are a major force."
Last time I looked that is exactly the way a democracy is supposed to work. If a large enough number of people / voters are not happy with the course of legislation that a government is proposing it is our duty and right to lobby the cross benches to block the legislation.
It is outrageous that our own Prime Minister, the leader of our supposed democracy would brand us "dangerous radicals" for exercising our democratic right.
Rudd even admits that citizens around the world are lobbying to stop their governments passing emissions trading legislation that will harm their countries economies. He says about the climate sceptics globally are ...
Powerful enough to so far block domestic legislation in Australia, powerful enough to so far slow down the passage of legislation through the US Congress. And ultimately - by limiting the ambition of national climate change commitments - they are powerful enough to threaten a deal on global climate change both in Copenhagen and beyond.
Is it any wonder that Kevin Rudd is hell bent on signing Australia up to the one world government Copenhagen Treaty that makes no mention of elections or democracy only rule by unelected bureaucrats . He declares:
"The Australian Government is also committed to intensively engaging to support an ambitious agreement in Copenhagen."
From Australian prime Minister Kevin Rudds outburst it is obvious that the democratic system is an incredibly annoying and frustrating obstacle to his global ambitions. That is a very serious and very dangerous development for our democracy.
News limited Chief Rupert Murdock said in the Weekend Australian that Rudd is delusional if he thinks Australia can lead the world on Climate Change.
On the government's push to legislate on climate change before most other Western countries, Mr Murdoch said it was "a bit delusional .... that we can set an agenda for the world".
"It would nice if we could, but we are kidding ourselves, deluding ourselves if we really believe it. And if we start putting up the cost of living in this country, when no one else is doing it, we put ourselves at a real disadvantage."
We now need to triple our efforts to ensure the CPRS is voted down in the Senate. Then let Rudd call an election. We the sceptics will show him at the ballot box what a democracy is all about.
END.
Tags: -, dangerous, democracy, deniers, kevin, radicals., rudd, sceptics
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Malcolm Fenton on
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Excellent work Steve. I wonder if Rudd thinks we are better resourced than the group that has the power for exercises like this.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff T Hutcho on -
Aw Malcolm,
Not Chemtrails, P L E A S E.
Could lead to comments in other journals that Agmates are all nuts, or conspiracy theorists.
This could lead to loss of credibility.
Pretty picture though.
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Jeff - this will happen for sure. Slander is the weapon of choice for the loosing team. But Jeff ? ......... Please tell me you clicked the link this time.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Truman - Agmates on -
G'day Malcolm,
I know that you are keen to inform people about this chem trails business. can i suggest that you start a discussion topic or a blog and write on the subject there. You will find that those that are interested will read it and you can develop it from there.
If you look at what John fairfax has done with his Algae Pollution theory - it is exactly the way it should be done. John has posted this and is adding more information and links to build his case as he goes along. talk to John if you need any help, i'm sure he would be willing to explain how he has done it.
Why Blame Farmers and CO2 ?
This would be far more preferable than posting it in forums like this when it is only perhaps vaguely related.
I am not for a second saying i don't want you to be able to publish it - but just in the right forum and format.
Thanks for your cooperation and look forward to reading your info when you have it posted.
I have had a look at this in the past and frankly remain unconvinced - but i look forward to looking at your information and am happy as I'm sure many others will be to look at and test your information.
Forgive me if you have already posted it somewhere as a discussion topic and i've missed it. no doubt you'll point me to it if you have.
Cheers - mate
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Permalink Reply by Jeff T Hutcho on
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Yes Malcolm,
I checked that link, there's yards of this stuff around and I also have a mate who keeps on sending me the same sort of material. Youtube is also full of the same.
If you have read any of the thread by Steve T. "Rural Press V's The Agmates Community - Now That's Clever" and followed the threads, you may realise that material placed on Agmates that may be used by some to discredit, as it appears that Rural Press and some of the farm organisations could be trying this on.
A conspiracy theory for you:
Load up sites with items such as 'chemtrails', 'alien influences', strange 'unnatural' phenomena, junk science, fuel for your car from water, machines which produce more power than is put into them, perpetual motion devices.
Then let them loose on the public.
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Permalink Reply by Janet H. Thompson on -
Hutcho, Rudd HAS already labeled us nuts...man, get with the program. You're already OUTTED. And yes, you (I mean, we) crazy people probably WOULD think this is a pretty picture.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff T Hutcho on
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Hi Janet,
I bet my name is on a list somewhere, just waiting for the 'men in black' to break the door down.
That picture ofcloudschemtrails is quite pretty, I am a cloud watcher and there are some rather fascinating formations around.
In Tasmania I have seen 'flying saucers' (actually clouds with updrafts through them - similar to blowing smoke rings). Somewhere in my freeform filing system I have photos of this event.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew Hoffmann on -
I saw the Rupert Murdoch comment in today's Herald Sun. Terry McCrann takes aim again (pg 75, Herald Sun, 7th November 2009) and the word 'delusional' gets a fair run. Some of the interesting comments include "Rudd was kidding himself that we could use the G20 to lead the world. Or that we could strike out alone with a cap and trade system for reducing greenhouse gas emissions."
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Permalink Reply by Jeff T Hutcho on
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Hi Matthew,
Did that Terry McCrann article make any comment about the some G20 members would like to have the G20 reduced to G4 or even G2 to put only the "Big Players in the ring". It was something I read while researching another item.
That would get the Krudd's nose severely out of joint. He'd probably go back to the Lodge and kick his dog.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew Hoffmann on
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Hi Jeff,
Does Kev have a dog?
Yes the article was an interview by McCrann with Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch thinks that Rudd is "very intelligent and very interesting" but then goes on to comment that Rudd is kidding himself with the G20 (the top 20 countries in the world) which Rudd has apparently been pushing for as a replacement for the G8 which does not include Australia. Keep adding chairs to the table and I guess you will eventually score a seat. The next tricky bit is to get the throng to listen to what you have to say and to adopt the ideas as their own? Murdoch then notes that Obama is more interested I downsizing the G8 to a G4 or even a G2, which in Murdoch's eyes would be the USA and China, who would then need to agree on all the big decisions. Interestingly enough, aren't these the two countries that we all supposedly need to create a workable ETS?
Another comment in the interview I thought was thought provoking was that Murdoch thought Obama and his administration lacked experience in the commercial world and that they tended to micro manage everything. That commercial aspect perhaps might come back to haunt us all given the billions that were pumped into the financial system by the Obama administration to stave off the GFC. To be fair to Obama though, his governement wasn't responsible for the regulatory relaxation of the the financial markets which delivered the conditions that brought forth the GFC...
While on the issue of micro managing, Laurie Oakes (and he is not the only one) wrote in yesterday's Age (and I can't find the blessed thing right now) about Rudd's handling of the latest immigration issue. Oakes was surprised that Rudd went onto radio to talk about the boat people issue & Indonesia but ultimately had nothing to say. The issue for Oakes (and all of us) is that there has been such a large turnover of senior staff in Rudd's office and Oakes wonders where Rudd is getting his advice from. The article comments that Labor members struggle to deliver advice or criticism without being cut off by Rudd or his staffers. Strength of conviction in your view and actions can be an attractive quality in a leader (even if we don't necessarily agree with a decision)but canvassing for alternatives or opinions is a prudent course of action where the waters are murky and fraught with peril.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff T Hutcho on
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Hi Matthew,
Yes he has a dog, got one a while back to show he's a "blokey bloke" and a regular family man. See at this link [here], also a cat.
(pause to throw up)
Wonder where Rudd gets his inspiration from? Here's two links to related items, I'll let you make the connections.
K Rudd presenting a speech to the London School of Economics (LSE)
OK it's from 2008, but it's "timeless" LOL
And an indication of who are the LSE - a bit of history found.
The LSE trains all the bright financial students for world banking.
Don't know enough about Mr Smooth Obama, it may not have been his government, but you'll see a lot of familiar heads pop up, and a lot of the stimulus package went to prop up ghosts from the previous government.
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Permalink Reply by Shayne Norton on -
Excellent Steve
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